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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 6:15:54 GMT -8
I hate to get all tin foil hat here, but since it's so obvious what a waste it all is to us commoners, why have we kept this thing going for so long? Is it because too many people are profiting from it - defense industry, etc?
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Post by Stan on May 29, 2012 7:47:16 GMT -8
re. Afghanistan - monstrous waste of money to give money to the Afghans. Even the most foolish possible program here in the US would be a better use of money - even if we started giving out free scholarships to cake decorating school. Here's a couple thousand Afghani for your thoughts. (from the Stanton Lee Collection)
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Post by mrbmwguy206 on May 29, 2012 8:22:17 GMT -8
How reliable are piston ARs other than HKs? HK is the only one I've seen a torture test done on and even that one has come under fire as being faked. If I for example bought a Ruger SR-556 or any of the other major brands' piston ARs, could I go swimming with it and shoot at targets on the shore when I surface or would the thing blow up in my face? Here's a S&W MP15 Gas Piston failure. The new buyer only put 130 or so rounds and the gas block got loose and moved forward towards the barrel. This was more of an installation issue. For me, I switched to a gas piston AR because I didn't like spending too much time cleaning the BCG and chamber. Now I can just wipe down the BCG and run a bore snake down the barrel. The gas piston pieces I do clean but I spend only a few minutes on them. I admit it's front heavy so it just gives me a reason to workout. There are some Ferfrans videos on youtube and they did a water test (dunking it in a barrel of water). Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 8:25:55 GMT -8
2 Possibilities:
A) The most powerful & expensive military in history being led by people who are incompetent?
B) The same force led by people who are corrupt?
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Post by mqd123 on May 30, 2012 6:30:47 GMT -8
I never understood the "too heavy" argument. It's not like us civilians are going to be walking around with our rifles for 10 hrs. a day. And if we had to, so what? The SEALs don't seem to have any problems.
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Post by jvv556 on May 30, 2012 6:53:38 GMT -8
I like light. The lighter the better. Faster and easier to move around when you're lighter.
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Post by mrbmwguy206 on May 30, 2012 8:07:12 GMT -8
I never understood the "too heavy" argument. It's not like us civilians are going to be walking around with our rifles for 10 hrs. a day. And if we had to, so what? The SEALs don't seem to have any problems. An instructor at ITTS said something similar. He doesn't really care about "lightweight" AR15s or find them exciting at all. He prefers setups that are reliable and strong and has two flashlights mounted to the rail. He said, "If it's heavy, then workout."
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Post by mrbmwguy206 on May 30, 2012 8:09:04 GMT -8
I like light. The lighter the better. Faster and easier to move around when you're lighter. Very true. I was thinking about getting an AR with a lightweight or pencil type barrel but someone said that under heavy shooting, I might loose accuracy.
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Post by mqd123 on May 30, 2012 9:07:33 GMT -8
re. Afghanistan - monstrous waste of money to give money to the Afghans. Even the most foolish possible program here in the US would be a better use of money - even if we started giving out free scholarships to cake decorating school. Here's a couple thousand Afghani for your thoughts. (from the Stanton Lee Collection) What is that worh? 5 USD?
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Post by Stan on May 30, 2012 19:09:00 GMT -8
About 50 AFG to a $1 USD so that stack was around $1,000 or so.
I'll say this about your rifle weight; when you are issued a thousand pounds of light stuff it all adds up and after SULE make your educated assessment on your gear weight and selection. If post-SULE you still stick to what you have that is fine, it will have endured an endurance test but I am sure there will be some who will at least think twice.
I've been blessed so far at breaking people's gear and/or making them think twice about it.
Edited to add: weight is an investment and you have to decide if the extra weight you are carrying is worth it. For example a night observation device and a laser designator on a rifle is worth it on a rifle meant for military purposes, you can now operate around the clock or particularly when the enemy can not , definitely a force multiplier.
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Post by mqd123 on May 30, 2012 21:26:07 GMT -8
About 50 AFG to a $1 USD so that stack was around $1,000 or so. I'll say this about your rifle weight; when you are issued a thousand pounds of light stuff it all adds up and after SULE make your educated assessment on your gear weight and selection. If you still stick to what you have that is fine, it will have endured an endurance test but I am sure there will be some who will at least think twice. I've been blessed so far at breaking people's gear and/or making them think twice about it. When you did SULE, were you required to do it in your full armor? I would think so, but I had to ask.
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Post by Stan on May 31, 2012 8:37:58 GMT -8
When you did SULE, were you required to do it in your full armor? I would think so, but I had to ask. Actually SULE in Officer Candidate School was no armor but load bearing vest, armor would have killed people. It was Quantico, VA in the summer felt like a 100 degrees with extreme humidity. That was just the first hazing. Then we did numerous exercises in the Basic School and all that was with armor/helmet and full large ALICE pack. Finally, there was Infantry Officer Course and yes that was always wearing armor too. We had a four mile hike wearing MOPP 4 which is chem/bio suit, gas mask, gloves, and booties...and then your armor, pack etc.! Finally we had a ten day war which is all a blur now; full gear, full pack, 14 MRE rations to last you the 10 days.
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Post by mqd123 on May 31, 2012 9:42:11 GMT -8
Hmmm there is an idea as a follow up to SULE. Maybe a 3 day war.... just a thought.
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Post by jvv556 on May 31, 2012 10:02:14 GMT -8
Ive heard that MOPP gear doesnt breathe very well. Must've been like a hot sauna for 4 miles. When you did SULE, were you required to do it in your full armor? I would think so, but I had to ask. Actually SULE in Officer Candidate School was no armor but load bearing vest, armor would have killed people. It was Quantico, VA in the summer felt like a 100 degrees with extreme humidity. That was just the first hazing. Then we did numerous exercises in the Basic School and all that was with armor/helmet and full large ALICE pack. Finally, there was Infantry Officer Course and yes that was always wearing armor too. We had a four mile hike wearing MOPP 4 which is chem/bio suit, gas mask, gloves, and booties...and then your armor, pack etc.! Finally we had a ten day war which is all a blur now; full gear, full pack, 14 MRE rations to last you the 10 days.
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Post by Stan on May 31, 2012 16:11:00 GMT -8
Ive heard that MOPP gear doesnt breathe very well. Must've been like a hot sauna for 4 miles. Not bragging or anything, but hiking in MOPP gear would probably, make all but the most fit people pass out in heat exhaustion. I was in the ultimate shape for military-type physical activity by the end of IOC (hiking, running, etc.)
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